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DadbodDreams

3.9k points

2 months ago

Yup. Big fan here too. Star Wars is the best movie series of all time, the only flaw it has is that most of the films really suck.

OvertGnome1

1.9k points

2 months ago

I loved them all individually, but as a series, we're missing a lot of important filler. LOTR is a straight forward and throughout adventure

TheBobDoleExperience

1.5k points

2 months ago

LOTR exclusively. The Hobbit was straightforward (and amazing) as a book, but as a movie trilogy...*shudders* Talk about filler.

cysghost

2.4k points

2 months ago

cysghost

2.4k points

2 months ago

Like butter that's been scrapped over too much toast.

SubstantialShelter88

65 points

2 months ago

That's the only way I butter

ShitwareEngineer

3 points

2 months ago

If you like it spread over more toast than other people do, then it is not too much for you. Too much is too much.

coopy1000

4 points

2 months ago

I feel that I should point out, in the name of science, that there is no such thing as too much butter on toast.

UberDave_141

16 points

2 months ago

Just pretend I gilded you for that.

firefly183

32 points

2 months ago

A better quote in this moment could not have been found.

It's been my favorite quote since I first heard it, felt that knew in my soul, haha. I want it as my epitaph XD

Devreckas

12 points

2 months ago

Too little bread, too much butter. Those movies are like 80% fat.

firefly183

5 points

2 months ago

I hope you're not actually not getting the quote?! D=

Devreckas

19 points

2 months ago

Pretty sure it’s bread, not toast. But yes, I got the quote.

cysghost

6 points

2 months ago

It appears I screwed it up. It was from memory, so I'm glad I got it as correct as I did.

morbiskhan

3 points

2 months ago

Well done

JstTrstMe

2 points

2 months ago

Holy shit I just read an article about how old golum was when the movies took place and they talked about Bilbo and had this line from the book in it.

Digger1998

2 points

2 months ago

So spread out it eventually comes, u see it and go "I can't believe it's not butter!"

JayCaesar12

2 points

2 months ago

In the South we have tea with our sugar and toast with our butter.

This is the way.

yorlikyorlik

2 points

2 months ago

If you catch my meaning.

sloppy_joes35

2 points

2 months ago

I'd say they forgot the butter but burnt the toast, then scrapped the burntness off the toast, realized there was nothing left, smushed the crumbs back together, saw it was sticking, so they took a shit on it to use as an adhesive, and finally, delivered it to us Hobbit fans.

Dranzer_22

733 points

2 months ago

LOTR = Years of planning before they even start filming.

The Hobbit = Literally making it up on the spot to the point Peter Jackson breaks down

MoonChild02

253 points

2 months ago

Yup. All because Guillermo del Toro needed a couple more months, and the studio wanted it done fast, not right.

Mental-Woodpecker300

115 points

2 months ago

Man, they wouldn't wait for del Toro?! I would have loved to see how it would have turned out with him at the wheel. 😩

ErusTenebre

86 points

2 months ago

The same thing seems to happen to him frequently - like studios seem to not GET that he's a fuckin' artist not a movie mill.

So much so that he has a Wikipedia page full of movies and games we're not going to get lol

DunmerSkooma

7 points

2 months ago

I just watched Troll Hunters with my neice and noticed it was also a GDT project. The man has a lot of variety.

Eli1234Sic

2 points

2 months ago

What a fantastically odd movie that was.

Edit, I'm thinking of the Norwegian movie Troll Hunter.

Addicted2GravyTears

5 points

2 months ago

Well, at least it freed him up for his on-screen magnum opus, the character of Pappy McPoyle on It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia

therealhairykrishna

32 points

2 months ago

It makes me sad that I live in the universe that didn't get the Guillermo del Toro version.

thebinarysystem10

8 points

2 months ago

The good news is that there is a universe that it happened...and it was amazing.

candygram4mongo

2 points

2 months ago

Truly, this is the point where our timeline went to shit.

MandoAviator

16 points

2 months ago

Ah, the good ol’ sequel trilogy approach.

Imaginary-System-789

2 points

2 months ago

I’m still waiting for his at the mountains of madness.

merelyadoptedthedark

2 points

2 months ago

Didn't help that they stretched out what should have been one movie into three epic length movies.

teb_art

78 points

2 months ago

teb_art

78 points

2 months ago

The Hobbit trilogy was painful to watch. The barrel scene — gripping in the novel, embarrassingly childish in the film.

Takaithepanda

4 points

2 months ago

Not to mention the whole gold dragon thing. God that legit made me mad.

Wallofcans

4 points

2 months ago

Benadict Cumberbatch spent hours writhing on the floor in a mocap suit for that movie. That cracks me up

ChillyBearGrylls

3 points

2 months ago

*and he chewed the scenery, even while in mocap

jltyper

22 points

2 months ago

jltyper

22 points

2 months ago

no way. the barrel scene was the best scene in the movie. What else even happened?

TheBobDoleExperience

23 points

2 months ago

I'm with you. As much as I disliked that trilogy, the second movie was the best. And that barrel scene paired with Bilbo meeting Smaug were fantastic bits of cinema.

SeaworthyColander

9 points

2 months ago

That's the thing about the Hobbit films, there are moments of greatness, punctuated by WTF is this shit.

ComposerOther2864

6 points

2 months ago

It was originally a story he told his children.... childish seems pretty on point.

uniptf

2 points

2 months ago

uniptf

2 points

2 months ago

shilaylaypumpano

9 points

2 months ago

Thank you. Not everyone knows that PJ & Co were basically screwed over before filming by the producer because they had a spat. And he literally said he wanted to make his life hell.

Hornswallower

5 points

2 months ago

Well there's that and the source material.

The Lord of the Rings books are over thousand pages altogether.

The Hobbit book is about 290.

They never stood a chance trying to get a trilogy out of what could fit into a single movie.

KazaamFan

2 points

2 months ago

Kind of like Lucas and the prequels and originals and Disney with the sequels. Lucas had a story vision for 6 movies. Disney only saw dollar signs and pandered to the audience, trying to give us what they thought we wanted (which we didn’t), and the story suffered. Disney just tried to copy Lucas OT and that is not good story telling.

J4jii

2 points

2 months ago

J4jii

2 points

2 months ago

Your comment made me snort with laughter in the kitchen

llynglas

7 points

2 months ago

llynglas

7 points

2 months ago

The hobbit being three movies was just ridiculous and greedy. Plus, they were FRICKING long movies as well. Lost a lot of respect for Jackson then.

ihadtologinforthis

18 points

2 months ago

I can't really blame Jackson, he had to put together the films using someone else's works, cobble it together and then hope it worked as best it could. Like script was done, casting was done, set pieces and costumes were done, and it would've been too expensive to start over. It was either him who was already familiar with the returning actors and story or someone else entirely who could've botched the whole thing even more.

I mean maybe someone else could've done better but like others have said, the higher ups wanted the movie done fast, not proper and Jackson was both familiar and available. I'm glad it was at least Jackson and at least he tried. Would've been nice to see what del toro's vision would've been tho

Twin_Brother_Me

3 points

2 months ago

I've seen the Trollhunter movie, I'm fairly certain a Del Toro Hobbit trilogy would not have been much better than what we ended up with

[deleted]

3 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

3 points

2 months ago

Del Toro is overrated.

uniptf

3 points

2 months ago

uniptf

3 points

2 months ago

llynglas

2 points

2 months ago

Closer to the book also if I remember....

Night_Queen_351

2 points

2 months ago

Also lotr is all authentic. The hobbit is mostly green screen. Sir Ian Mckellen actually cried on set because of it…

trollsong

43 points

2 months ago

2 movies, it should have been 2 movies.

CharonsLittleHelper

15 points

2 months ago*

Two movies which each at 2 hours, not 3.

Devreckas

9 points

2 months ago

That is already stretching the material quite a bit.

geek_of_nature

10 points

2 months ago

I've seen two fan edits, one at four hours and one at three. The four hour one is by far superior. I know it'll be hard to believe, but with the three hour one it felt like it was rushing through the material. Almost all the character development for the dwarves apart from Thorin was cut, they barely spent any time in the places before moving on, and by the end it had just felt rushed.

Two, two hour movies would have been the way to go.

Devreckas

11 points

2 months ago

I have seen a 4-hr cut and 3-hr cut of the movie as well. I agree that the 4-hr is superior. However, I don’t necessarily think that means that that is the ideal runtime for the film.

Since you are trying to edit down a much longer film, the narrative beats aren’t presented as efficiently as they could be with a tighter screenplay. There are limitations to how much you can edit scenes while maintaining narrative flow and not winding up with a bunch of short, choppy scenes. In a screenplay written with shorter runtimes in mind, you can potentially merge multiple scenes, where edits sometimes have to keep scenes for the sake of continuity, even when they contain quite little narrative meat in them.

It is possible you still need about 4-hours to tell the story right, idk for sure. But I wouldn’t say that strictly based on the fan edits.

CharonsLittleHelper

8 points

2 months ago

I agree. The old animated movie did most of it in well under 2 hours (the only bit I remember them skipping was the werebear guy). But it could have gotten away with 4-ish total hours with the extra Sauron foreshadowing etc which wasn't in the book.

The other issue IMO with making it into a live action movie at all is that the dwarves all blend together. In the books and old animated movie only 3-5 really mattered much (Thorin/fat one/lookout/MAYBE the twins) but that feels weird in a live action movie. The fellowship were all distinct so they didn't blend into a mass.

AssHaberdasher

13 points

2 months ago

The Hobbit: There

The Hobbit: Back Again

InEnduringGrowStrong

3 points

2 months ago

I was gonna say it should have been just one film, but this is also acceptable.

crestopia1

4 points

2 months ago

Yep, as a fan of the books when I saw the first hobbit movie in theaters I remember seeing them standing there at the end of the movie looking at Mt doom in the somewhat near distance, and I was like...."oh no....."

loklanc

3 points

2 months ago

And if New Line wanted another movie they should have done the Scouring of the Shire.

trollsong

2 points

2 months ago

A kids cartoon following Tolkien's children picture books

ThompsonBoy

2 points

2 months ago

On a runtime per word equivalence to the original trilogy, it should have been a single movie half as long as any of those three.

Aethien

2 points

2 months ago

Just 1 movie, it's not that long a book and it could've been great if it just told the story in 1 go.

trollsong

2 points

2 months ago

Oh I agree just 2 movies max was more my thinking but it could have been done in one.

SockMonkey1128

9 points

2 months ago

Watch the edited version! I think it's "the maple cut" that's the better one, but I could be wrong, as ther are a few fan edits. They take the trilogy and edit it down to a 4hr movie with an intermission. The edit is basically flawless and only noticeable if you really look for it. They even used unused scores from the soundtrack. It was honestly a great movie. We watched it with our friends.

Attitude_Rancid

5 points

2 months ago

to this day it irritates me so much how they decided to do kili and fili and thorin's death, especially the brothers. yeah, peter jackson, it sounds like a great idea to rob the brothers of an honorable warrior's death defending their uncle and king and have them die rather pathetically.

nutano

5 points

2 months ago

nutano

5 points

2 months ago

Its like having a taking a bite in a Boston cream donut and it has 2 gallons of filling under pressure in there.

pinktwinkie

2 points

2 months ago

Nobody wins that eating contest

Cha-Le-Gai

2 points

2 months ago

Some weirdo out there has that fetish.

MikeDubbz

6 points

2 months ago

It boggles the mind that The Hobbit was the shortest of the 4 books, and each LotR book was one movie, yet somehow they turned the shortest book into 3 movies?!

Aethien

2 points

2 months ago

Hollywood being doubtful it would work = LotR being originally written to be 2 movies then in the end 3 movies as the studio showed some confidence.

Hollywood seeing the success of LotR = 3 movie Hobbit to milk it for all it's worth cause people will go and see it anyway.

Same shit as happened with Pirates of the Caribbean, firs tmovie was an unexpected success so they started turning it from a standalone into a trilogy and milking it with progressively worse and worse sequals.

MikeDubbz

2 points

2 months ago

Pirates isn't really the same. That's just the case of turning a single successful movie into a franchise, that's a pretty typical thing to happen in Hollywood. But it's not like those Pirates movies were based on a bunch of books where each film tackles a single book, and then inexplicably the shortest of all books is suddenly adapted into 3 movies instead of just one.

Fox_Warudo

2 points

2 months ago

You’re one of those people that texts physical actions

GustaveTheSteel

2 points

2 months ago

More filler than Dragon Ball Z

sinner_dingus

2 points

2 months ago

The movie trilogy is longer than the Audible reading of the book…which seems like a problem.

sbrooks84

2 points

2 months ago

It never should have been a trilogy!

Phyrexius

2 points

2 months ago

It had more filler than a Japanese anime.

cicilkight

2 points

2 months ago

LOTR is 3 movies that could’ve been 5 or 6. The Hobbit is 3 movies that should’ve been 1, maybe 2.

BuffaloInCahoots

6 points

2 months ago

I watched the extended version not too long ago, about 4hrs each. Still an amazing trilogy, actually better with the extra scenes.

omghorussaveusall

13 points

2 months ago

Helps when you have an intergenerational bestseller as your source material...

r0wo1

21 points

2 months ago

r0wo1

21 points

2 months ago

And yet so many adaptations of fantastic books just straight suck

trollsong

2 points

2 months ago

I wish we could get a live action last unicorn the entire book could be done, but Peter s beagle probably won't let anyone near it ever again

ladygoodgreen

3 points

2 months ago

Clone Wars and Rebels are both excellent series that provide lots of backstory/filler.

Cole444Train

2 points

2 months ago

Even individually a lot of the Star Wars films are trash.

And do you mean “thorough”?

jimbojangles1987

2 points

2 months ago

The last jedi was just bad though

niteman555

2 points

2 months ago

That's what made Rogue One, imo, the best Star Wars movie ever. It is only filler. Most people go in knowing what happens before and after so there's no time to waste to set u the universe. This gives us the opportunity to enjoy a diverse, character-driven story that's laser-focused in its scope.

VeterinarianFit1309

755 points

2 months ago

I recently heard someone say that you can tell someone is a really big Star Wars fan by how much they hate Star Wars.

Wrestling_poker

79 points

2 months ago

The same can be said about wrestling fans.

25sittinon25cents

14 points

2 months ago

But then the same fans will fight to the death about why their preferred promotion is miles better than the others

Menaku

11 points

2 months ago

Menaku

11 points

2 months ago

As a fan of both yes. Especially the most recent 3 films after Disney axed the original cannon and made it a what if legends universe. Sad part is there were plenty of non Skywalker stories to tell and told in that universe without getting rid of the extended cannon which they hinted at with certain things in the most recent trilogy. And episodes 1 to 3 are needlessly long and over complicated at times.

AmIFromA

6 points

2 months ago

after Disney axed the original cannon

Yeah, the new cannon sucks. Destroying not only Hosnian Prime but also four of its neighboring planets, all at once. Just stupid.

DeuceOfDiamonds

6 points

2 months ago

Bingo.

superjuan

4 points

2 months ago

It’s still real to me dammit!

Eyespop4866

3 points

2 months ago

That’s spot on.

Reggie42069

112 points

2 months ago

I don't hate starwars as much as I hate the people who think it's the best thing ever. I also hate people who wear "bazinga" shirts and there is definetly some overlap.

UsedHotDogWater

42 points

2 months ago

I think you really had to experience the movies during the original release in the theaters to understand how amazing they were in context of the time. Seriously spaceships on strings and clay-mation where the cutting edge. Nothing really came close (barring 2001 ASO) most of the FX scenes were short shots of 20 seconds.

If you grew up in the 90s and 200s and watched the original trilogy....they probably kind of suck. TV had better writing and special FX at that point. Kind of like when Pong was released as a video game. Fucking awesome. Now....not so much.

Reggie42069

17 points

2 months ago

I definetly try to watch anything I see with the context of when it was made in mind. Everytime I watch 2001, I'm absolutely blown away. Star wars, not so much but 2001 had a way bigger budget and evokes a larger spectrum of emotion.

Justdonedil

7 points

2 months ago

Pure and unadulterated hatred.

evokes a larger spectrum of emotion.

hoopopotamus

6 points

2 months ago

I mean Star Wars is a kids movie

PoIIux

5 points

2 months ago

PoIIux

5 points

2 months ago

And 2001 a stoner flick

Breezyisthewind

9 points

2 months ago

Mark Hamill said he thought that if nothing else, Star Wars was going to be a popular stoner flick at college house parties and hippie gatherings and shit.

The first Star Wars, from the perspective of a 70s film goer, is a very hippy, strange, and bizarre movie. It spends its first 30 minutes explaining absolutely nothing. The first 10-15 minutes is just talking robots that fall input of space and wandering around the desert. Luke doesn’t show up until 20 minutes in and he’s a whining teenager going on about wanting to be with his friends and something about power converters.

It has a walking carpet that sorta acts like a dog. The Cantina scene alone…

Dragonhater101

3 points

2 months ago

The politics of episode 1 disagree with you.

Wakelogger

2 points

2 months ago

It is not my stupid friend. It is for every age.

RedLion_Paladin

2 points

2 months ago

You have peoples limbs and heads chopped off, how can you call Star Wars kids movies!

Sock-men

5 points

2 months ago

Also the smoking corpses of Luke's foster parents in the first 30ish mins of the first film.

thelastlogin

10 points

2 months ago

Grew up in the 90s, loved SW trilogy obsessively. Those who don't simply lack the imagination of the dark side.

UsedHotDogWater

13 points

2 months ago

I wish you could have seen it on release. If I could bottle that memory up and sell it..... That experience can never be duplicated. It was something else. Having to wait 4 years for Empire...oh man...and it was sooooo much better.

George Lucas has great ideas, but he really needs others to execute the vision, and write for him.

2000AusBoy

3 points

2 months ago

I grew up 2000s and my mates and I would always talk about Star Wars originals. Especially Return of The Jedi

Arkayjiya

3 points

2 months ago*

I grew up in the 90s and the OT was the best movie experience in my entire life at the time and still close to these days. I saw them only a small bit before the first prequel and about 2 years before the first LotR movie and while I would agree that overall the LotR trilogy is a higher quality of movies, SW and its universe evoked more emotions than it did and therefore is the better trilogy. My partner would argue the opposite though I'd expect.

CptHair

3 points

2 months ago

I completely disagree. I'm a generation later and the original still has some undefined magic to it, that the later movies somehow completely missed.

I think part of it is, they were edited a lot and as a bi product, it got some kind of obfuscated storytelling that leaned into a magical suspension of disbelief that sparked imagination.

Hearing Obi-Wan tell Luke that his father died in the Clone War left me wondering and dreaming about what the hell a Clone war was.

In the sequels it seems part of the goal was to make the world make sense. There had to be a logic to it, and things had to be explained. The Clone War became banal once it was defined and explained. The Force became more science than magic, once it had more strict laws to abide. And the philosophy behind it became outright stupid. Granted it must have been a huge task to be an average mind and have to come up with wisdom that the universe have countless wise men have develop over millennia. That's why it worked better when it was left shrouded in mystery.

BeefyQueefyCrawlies

4 points

2 months ago

I know a guy who is obsessed to an unhealthy degree with all things Star Wars and Stranger Things and this motherfucker is exhausting to listen to. I've never even seen ST and he's part of the reason why.

jltyper

1 points

2 months ago

Hmmmm. So you hate people who like star wars and..

BAZINGA!

Bazinga

Reggie42069

5 points

2 months ago

Disney was also the last straw.

Waffle_on_my_Fries

7 points

2 months ago

Or by how much they hate Disney. Fuck Disney.

bluvelvetunderground

18 points

2 months ago*

I hated the sequel trilogy. It kind of ruined SW for me, in a way. I appreciate the original and prequel trilogies (for different reasons). My head-canon is that the sequels are just fanfiction, but I don't see Disney scraping them and starting over at all.

I just don't have it in me to care all that much any more. I have my nostalgia and love of pre-Disney SW, and that's good enough for me. Some people just take it way too seriously. I definitely don't understand the people who harassed Rose's actress on Twitter, for example. Get a fucking life, for real.

Mekisteus

29 points

2 months ago

No, we like the REAL Star Wars. Just not the [arbitrarily insert something other than Empire Strikes Back here] which doesn't count as Star Wars.

CompetitiveClass1478

27 points

2 months ago

ESB is all that matters, and we all know it.

Mekisteus

15 points

2 months ago

Well, that and the Ewok movies.

QuinticSpline

11 points

2 months ago

And the Holiday Special.

cysghost

27 points

2 months ago

They're so wrong.

You're not a real star wars fan if you like the prequels. You're not a real star wars fan if you like the sequels. You're not a real star wars fan if you like the OT.

You may not like it, but this is what a real star wars fan looks like.

betrdaz

5 points

2 months ago

Damn you

tigolebitties32ddd

2 points

2 months ago

Sequels the only bad thing

jankyalias

15 points

2 months ago

Ehhh…while there’s plenty of fanboys who treat it as their personal fiefdom that’s true of all franchises. Comic book guy on the Simpsons works because he can stand in for any fandom you can think of.

SW is just one of the original fandoms and thus is bigger than many others and more noticeable to the culture writ large.

mudo2000

7 points

2 months ago

SW is just one of the original fandoms

*grumbles angrily in Klingon*

throwawaysarebetter

3 points

2 months ago

one of

Sock-men

5 points

2 months ago

Nah he was agreeing with you, all Klingon sounds angry.

darien_gap

11 points

2 months ago

"Inside every cynic is a heartbroken idealist." - George Carlin

[deleted]

20 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

20 points

2 months ago

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SwagginsYolo420

3 points

2 months ago

Somebody always has to regurgitate this nonsensical phrase in every thread that mentions the franchise.

Question is why? It doesn't actually mean anything, the same phrase is equally applicable to any other popular ip, and everyone has likely seen the same comment numerous times.

9793287233

3 points

2 months ago

I often hear that about Weezer

TheRealSheikYerbouti

4 points

2 months ago

Too bad they stopped making music after Pinkerton

StrangeSurround

8 points

2 months ago

People who like the Disney sequels say that a lot.

CharonsLittleHelper

9 points

2 months ago

Crazy people?

CN_W

3 points

2 months ago

CN_W

3 points

2 months ago

People with no taste.

66666thats6sixes

2 points

2 months ago

This is me and Wheel of Time.

RickieChan

2 points

2 months ago

Especially the last few films

OpeScuseMe74

2 points

2 months ago

Same about the JarJar Abrams Star Trek movies and Star Trek: Discovery.

atomfullerene

2 points

2 months ago

Im not a star wars fan. I enjoy the movies too much.

Fear leads to hatred, and hatred leads to the dark side of the fandom

Sgtwhiskeyjack9105

2 points

2 months ago

It's true.

I'm a huge Star Wars nerd, talk about it all the time, I fucking hate the Prequels, and the Sequels left a sour taste in my mouth.

But Original Trilogy? I grew up with the original, unfucked versions during the 90s, and I could not tell you how many times I watched Return of the Jedi on VHS. And even that film has its goofs.

Speaking of which, I'll take this opportunity to once again tell George Lucas to fuck off with the Special Editions of those movies being the only official ones to purchase.

I'd rather not hear the shit new song they have Sy Snootles sing, and all the unnecessary and badly dated CGI, and Temuera Morrison sleep-dubbing his way over the original and badass Boba Fett voice, done by Jason Wingreen.

Goddammit George.

3IC3

2 points

2 months ago

3IC3

2 points

2 months ago

That can be said about a lot of things. Like LoL.

SleepyMarijuanaut92

3 points

2 months ago

There's a big difference between hate and dislike though.

VeterinarianFit1309

0 points

2 months ago

Are you really going to argue semantics? Hate or dislike, the point of the statement is exactly the same.

Ravenser_Odd

6 points

2 months ago

Are you really going to argue semantics?

Uhh... you know this is reddit, right?

throwawaysarebetter

11 points

2 months ago

The point of the statement is to generalize any outrage people have as childish and puerile. Making any complaints they have, legitimate or not, moot.

No shit people who love a property are passionate about it, and hate when it's turned into something completely different. All while people shut any criticism of it down with "well I enjoyed it, so you're clearly wrong".

Gwtheyrn

5 points

2 months ago

I thought Disney attempting to cast the poor reception and criticisms of Episode 8 from the core audience as misogyny and racism was pretty scummy.

WushuManInJapan

3 points

2 months ago

Seriously. I'm pretty indifferent to star wars. Probably like the prequels more than the OT just because the pacing is a little too slow for me. New ones didn't bother me that much either, except for maybe episode 8. I actually enjoyed 9 more than probably all of the films. Pretty much all on a subjective scale of like 7 to me. Don't hate them, but I'd most likely watch something else (barely watch movies in the first place).

I swear people that actually like star wars rag on it way worse than I do, despite being 'fans.'

SwagginsYolo420

2 points

2 months ago

Not everything you hear is worth repeating.

adanceparty

2 points

2 months ago

Ask if the like Disney or not. The serious fans hate Disney for making a lot of the extended universe non cannon.

theinspectorst

3 points

2 months ago

I'm a huge Star Wars fan and I don't have any of the 'hate' for the films that so many so-called fans have (a lot of which I think is just gatekeeping against new generations of fans getting into the franchise).

But I think it's completely legitimate to say that Star Wars' greatest strengths are in the universe and the broad narratives within it that George Lucas created, and not the specific execution of these on-screen. I love the Galaxy Far Far Away far more than I love any one canon Star Wars film or TV show.

SuperfluousPedagogue

0 points

2 months ago

Star Wars is two great movies, one good movie and then nothing but total shit.

I used to be a Star Wars fan but George Lucas killed the dream back in 1999. He then spent two more movies ensuring the franchise was dead only for JJ Abrams to disinter the corpse and Rian Johnson to take a shit on it.

nideak

0 points

2 months ago

nideak

0 points

2 months ago

You recently heard that in every Star Wars thread. Original thought

VeterinarianFit1309

7 points

2 months ago

I literally admitted that it wasn’t an original thought as I posted it.

EastKoreaOfficial

9 points

2 months ago

True. We have a couple masterpieces and a lot of straight trash (cough cough THE LAST JEDI cough cough THE RISE OF SKYWALKER cough cough).

zuzg

107 points

2 months ago

zuzg

107 points

2 months ago

You should watch Andor. Finale dropped today and imho its by far the best from the entire franchise

tech1010

19 points

2 months ago

Better than Mandalorian ?

tinfins

65 points

2 months ago

tinfins

65 points

2 months ago

Two very different styles, but I’d honestly say yes. While Mandalorian is more of a spaghetti western style told very well, Andor balances action with the suspense of a fledgling resistance and the line being walked by the people leading it from inside the republic. And people are absolutely acting their hearts out in it.

attaboy000

27 points

2 months ago

Agreed on all points, plus I just love the street level, everyday view Andor gives us of the SW universe.

It, and Rogue One are the best entries in the Star Wars franchise imo (excluding games, of course. Cause then I'd have to include KOTOR and Jedi Knight)

QuinticSpline

7 points

2 months ago

KOTOR was more Star Wars than the actual Star Wars movies... and I don't just mean the sequels.

Mclarenf1905

2 points

2 months ago

I love the jedi knight games so much. Would really love another more modern iteration fo one of them. The force unleashed just didn't carry the same charm, plus it was missing the multiplayer aspect.

zuzg

10 points

2 months ago

zuzg

10 points

2 months ago

Yeah Mandalorian is Lone wolve and cub while Andor is a Espionage Thriller.

I just love that they finally had the balls to make a SW without Space Wizards

bprice57

7 points

2 months ago

people are absolutely acting their hearts out in it.

you sold me

imma check it out

tinfins

7 points

2 months ago

Yeah, and it’s not chewing the scenery like so many of the other SW movies, these guys are really selling risking their lives for something they have no reason to believe will succeed or that they will live through.

Diego Luna, Andor, is one of the producers and it shows that he has put a lot of himself into it.

zuzg

5 points

2 months ago

zuzg

5 points

2 months ago

I would love to give a shout out to all the other actors but I don't wanna risk mildly spoiling someone.

Stellan Skarsgårds potential Was truly wasted in Thor, that guy is so great as Luthen

tinfins

3 points

2 months ago

Same, several times through the series I thought, “This guy has been wasted in so many movies.”

asiandouchecanoe

3 points

2 months ago

It might not be better if you're a diehard SW fan, but as a show it's much better. Mando's fan service though was incredible, bringing so many characters back. If you're a star wars fan, nothing can really beat Mandolorian in cool factor, but Andor's writing, worldbuilding, and character development is the best Disney+ has put out so far.

zibzanna

7 points

2 months ago

One of my buddies said Andor is the Star Wars he has been waiting 40 years for. I love Mando, but Rogue One is the best Star Wars movie and Andor is the best thing that has ever happened in the Star Wars universe.

Capn_Forkbeard

3 points

2 months ago

I love both, but yes. Andor is a side of Star Wars I never would have dreamt Disney would have the sack to make - a gritty, serious look at the SW universe that unlike the prequels, 100% enhances the source material (the OT). The Mandalorian is great in that it captures what made the OT fun while being a bit more badass. If I had a blaster to my head and had to choose the existence of 1 over the other, I choose Andor.

TommenBrady

2 points

2 months ago

Don’t wanna get in a back and forth, but I am very curious to know what makes you think the prequels don’t enhance the source material?

I always really enjoyed the added political context and Vaders origin. Definitely flawed movies (all time bad dialogue lol) but I always felt they added to and fleshed out the universe a lot more. I feel how you feel about the prequels about the sequels though, I found them very empty in a world-building sense

Capn_Forkbeard

8 points

2 months ago

Hardly a hot take, but for me the prequels utterly cheapen the lore and story of ep.4-6. Not only did we not need to know Darth's origin story from literal Anakin childhood to Vader, it ruins the mystique. The senate/political context was not well executed. The rest was all side show gimpery that Ewan, Liam and Natalie could not save. Was there some cool moments, art/design and other spinoff nods to the prequels down the road that worked? Sure. Did it enhance the source material? I would argue it seriously tainted it. We're on the same page regarding the sequel trilogy which tainted the OT even further.

Now that I've gotten that out of the way, compare the prequels to Andor. It's pretty unfair because they're completely different in virtually every way beyond being Star Wars IP, but Andor is starting to flesh out the rebel alliance and shadow politics properly. It's doing an amazing job of setting the stage and giving everything so much more weight.

TommenBrady

3 points

2 months ago

That’s all pretty fair. I think the seemingly jarring descent to the dark side in RotS is what really does it in for a lot of people. I agree that beginning when he’s super young cheapens it a lot. I think it would’ve been better received if they’d handled some plot points from PotM in flashbacks, making AotC Episode I, then adding a new episode II and using some of the plot lines from the Clone Wars series that show Anakin getting more extreme and closer with Sidious, then RotS makes more sense. Most people aren’t going to watch clone wars and get the extra context, which is totally fair, but it had some great Star Wars content that I wish had been in the movies. I feel like it was a bit dumbed down in a lot of ways because he was trying to make a kids movie and a political thriller. Would’ve been better to pick one of the other. I’m still a big fan though because of nostalgia lol

Agreed! The politics in Andor are so well done and it’s so satisfying. Politics in the prequels were my favourite part but like you said, poorly executed. I think that comes back to it being targeted at children and therefore dumbed down a lot. Plus Lucas’ bad dialogue lol! Thanks for sharing your opinion! Cheers

CatfishMonster

6 points

2 months ago

If it's not better, it's comparable

e-rekshun

1 points

2 months ago*

e-rekshun

1 points

2 months ago*

I enjoyed Boba more than the Mando series. Apparently I'm the only one on the planet.

Edit: See, judging by the down votes I really am the only one who liked Boba more than Mando! 🤷🏻

Mclarenf1905

2 points

2 months ago

There are three of us! My wife and I liked Boba more as well. We just couldn't get into mando, and the worst episodes of Boba were the 2 mando episodes. But yea we are definitely in the minority here.

zuzg

1 points

2 months ago

zuzg

1 points

2 months ago

I enjoyed all of the SW shows so far but Andor is on another level, haha

EastKoreaOfficial

1 points

2 months ago

Absofuckinglutely.

MarstonX

6 points

2 months ago

Episode 8 hurt me too much. I haven't seen a single star wars thing since.

NuclearMaterial

2 points

2 months ago

Yup. Admittedly I did watch Mando and found it to be ok, but then I read all of the vitriol around Book of Boba Fett and Obi Wan, did some investigation and yeah. Been burned too many times now.

Disney won't see another penny from me. I will continue to enjoy the old lore.

Ryoukugan

5 points

2 months ago

Andor does a good job of answering the question, "why is there a rebellion against the Empire". Obviously we know they're evil, but outside of the Death Star and Obiwan saying so we don't really have a picture of how in the original trilogy. We see the war aspect, but not the daily life of the common folk.

Andor shows the daily life. Andor shows an Empire that's destroying local customs and ways of life, an Empire that's a colonizing force of cold and calculated brutality. An Empire that doesn't care about the good of the people, doesn't care that about anything but obedience and control. It shows you not only what the Empire has done but how those things affect everyday people, and how those people react to what's being done to them.

It's fucking brilliant.

halfbrightlight

7 points

2 months ago

Andor is the best Star Wars release since May of 1983.

NovaS1X

4 points

2 months ago

I've been loving Andor so far and haven't seen the finale, and now you've got me all hyped for it.

dmcd0415

3 points

2 months ago

That doesn't undo greedo shooting first, wasting Luke's entire life, the lightspeed ship ramming idiocy, the Leia-dead-in-space idiocy, the complete lack of plot for the ST, Snoke in general, "somehow Palpatine returned," untrained jedi and sith (including emotional piss baby kylo ren) being able to resurrect anybody they want but all powerful emotional piss baby son-of-the-force-itself Anakin Skywalker can't resurrect any of his loved ones, etc...

Aardvark1044

2 points

2 months ago

I fell asleep watching three of the first four episodes. Hope it gets better.

EastKoreaOfficial

2 points

2 months ago

I agree. Andor was the first Star Wars show where I felt completely invested and immersed in the universe 100% of the time.

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0 points

2 months ago

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0 points

2 months ago

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zuzg

1 points

2 months ago

zuzg

1 points

2 months ago

Yep that's what I meant.
Like I love the OT and PT but even their best dialog is miled behind Andor

Owster4

14 points

2 months ago

Owster4

14 points

2 months ago

Original trilogy is classic and while I don't necessarily think they're perfect, they're great films. Hate ewoks though.

I can at least appreciate parts of Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones like the music, battles, characters like Obi-Wan ans Qui-Gon, elements of them. Revenge of the Sith is my second favourite Star Wars film and I'll fight anyone who disagrees with it being good.

The prequels are also good on paper, like the political intrigue and such is a great idea. The fall of the Jedi, literal revenge of the Sith etc. It just wasn't always well executed.

There was no trilogy after the prequels, so no further comments can be made.

SCtester

3 points

2 months ago

The story and the world of Star Wars have always been the highlights of that universe for me, and in that regard the Prequels succeed most of the trilogies, in my opinion, even if parts of the execution were flawed. They not only tell a great overall story by themselves, but they so thoroughly tie into the originals that the two trilogies essentially become a single story. Additionally, due to the story of the Prequels having singular vision/purpose and the world having coherency, each instalment made the universe feel bigger with much more to explore in expanded material such as the Clone Wars. This is how to properly do a prequel/sequel.

I'm not saying they were all amazing movies, but they got enough right that they were able to redefine and expand the scope of the Star Wars universe, and to keep the IP alive for another generation. As opposed to just regurgitating the average moviegoer's expectation of what a Star Wars movie is probably like - based on story beats and visuals that people associate with the name Star Wars, but without a coherent story, without any attempt to tie it into previous parts of the supposedly same saga, and without any desire to forge a new path out of a fear of losing some segments of the existing audience. Boy, I sure hope Disney never does that if they create a sequel trilogy!

SunnySTX

5 points

2 months ago

ANDOR is amazing if you haven't seen it...It feels like the "real" star wars universe.

chemicalsam

3 points

2 months ago

No one hates Star Wars like a Star Wars fan

jedielfninja

3 points

2 months ago

Wouldn't even call some of them films. Like you'd never tell a film nerd to watch attack of the clones but empire strikes back anyone can love.

Justifiably_Cynical

2 points

2 months ago

I think what happens is there is too much time between sequels, and more and more often there will be movies to copy the original ground breaker before a sequel can be produced.

By the time the second movie rolls around we are a bit more sophisticated and we have all made up our minds what the coming film should be like s a percentage comes away at least slightly disappointed.

That and move companies see a hit and think of all the ways they can totally fuck it up by movie three.

Outside-Setting-5589

2 points

2 months ago

Star Wars has exaclty two amazing, spectacular, nearly perfect movies and... all the other stuff.

Cpt_Tripps

2 points

2 months ago

the only flaw it has is that most of the films really suck.

I've been saying this about Star Wars for years. All the films and most of the media sucks. The only thing Star Wars has going for it is 3,000 fan theories making it halfway decent explaining all the stupid shit.

Also Rogue One, Andor, and KoTOR are amazing.

dmsfx

2 points

2 months ago

dmsfx

2 points

2 months ago

The thing about SW for me is that I’ve never really given a shit about the films. It was always the games, the toys, character and ship designs. The appeal was having tour Ian adventures in the universe.

beatsbymxlik

2 points

2 months ago

As another starwars fan, I’d say starwars has a better universe and franchise but the best trilogy has to go to LotR