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OGWhiz [M]

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5 days ago*

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Remember, as per Reddit’s content policy, even if you believe that this monster deserves what he’s got and more, we cannot explicitly express that on Reddit without risking a permanent ban. So while I may or may not love that this murdering waste of space got his face smacked, I can’t say it. As per content policy.

Edit: Too many people read this and thought that I made the content policy (I didn’t) or that I’m complaining about it (I’m not). This is simply reminding users of the content policy so they don’t get banned from Reddit. Not r/Pics, but Reddit as a whole.

CrackHeadRodeo

2k points

5 days ago*

I saw him in at his arraignment in court and dude could barely sit upright. He’s not gonna forget this.

Bezere

539 points

5 days ago*

Bezere

539 points

5 days ago*

Something tells me he's going to forget a lot of things with the brain damage he got.

I'm sure the beating doesn't help neither

Smash_4dams

247 points

5 days ago

Smash_4dams

247 points

5 days ago

At the time of the crime, he was making his own choices.

Can't plead insanity after you get your skull kicked in. You still remain a danger to society.

famid_al-caille

55 points

4 days ago

If they find him incompetent they can delay the trial until he's competent enough to stand trial. But he'll be in state custody the entire time. Insanity pleas don't mean no punishment.

DRHORRIBLEHIMSELF

498 points

4 days ago

Didn’t his defense lawyer claim he’s non-binary (they/them) at his arraignment? Feels like a way to beat the federal “hate” crime charges.

SoulBlightChild

107 points

4 days ago

The guy's dad will like this so much.

/sarcasm

Dfl321

151 points

4 days ago

Dfl321

151 points

4 days ago

Admittedly, I haven't paid much attention to the story, but I did just find the AP article using they/them pronouns.

They could be self-hating, given their upbringing. Their dad basically said "at least he's not gay."

Your kid just committed mass murder, maybe have a conversation with them.

komark-

17 points

4 days ago

komark-

17 points

4 days ago

The dad hadn’t seen his son in years. In fact the dad thought his son was dead as far back as 2016

Conaman12

7.5k points

5 days ago*

Conaman12

7.5k points

5 days ago*

It’s crazy the guys dad is that dude that jacked off for 12 hours everyday on Meth on that intervention show

https://youtu.be/db9JhBRYQj0

KecemotRybecx

4k points

5 days ago

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST, the shooter’s dad is THAT DUDE?!

Goddamn, I remember watching that shit.

Holy fuck, I’m off to drink.

bruce656

2.5k points

5 days ago

bruce656

2.5k points

5 days ago

Have you seen the interview he just did about his son being the perpetrator? It's fucking horrendous. Dude was like, "he was at a gay club? Is he gay? Oh, to shoot them? OK. At least he's not gay."

KecemotRybecx

774 points

5 days ago*

I did.

I hate it.

Lito_Frito

227 points

4 days ago

Lito_Frito

227 points

4 days ago

He was high in the sky in that interview

NefariousnessNothing

169 points

5 days ago

The guy that beat his ass is called : Richard Fierro(Spanish for Iron)

Case you missed that a guy tried to shoot up a gay nightclub but instead got his ass destroyed by ol' Iron Dick

icallshenannigans

47 points

5 days ago

You’re telling me this fucking hero is literally called The Iron Dick?

NefariousnessNothing

99 points

4 days ago

Mr. Fierro, 45, who spent 15 years as an Army officer and left as a major in 2013, -sauce

That is

Major Iron Dick

to you sir!

bruce656

155 points

5 days ago

bruce656

155 points

5 days ago

Fierro is also co-owner of Atrevida Beer Co. in Colorado Springs. if you're in the area, go show his business some love!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/11/23/richard-fierro-colorado-shooting-atrevida-brewery/

https://www.atrevidabeerco.com/

thetruemask

134 points

4 days ago*

That dudes wiki is wild so lemme get this straight.

★ MMA fighter likely with CTE

★ Meth Addict who was featured on Intervention (noted for jacking it for 12 hours on meth)

★ was a porn actor from 2002-2006

★ Homophobic

★ Father of a Mass shooter

Anthony12125

88 points

5 days ago

HOLY FUCKING SHIT..... I will join you

DogVacuum

330 points

5 days ago

DogVacuum

330 points

5 days ago

Everything lately feels like I’m in the Truman Show. Horrible mass shooting? Guess what? His dad is the jerk off guy from the one episode of Intervention that you remember. I feel like the next major horrible event is somehow going to involve the guy from MTVs True Life that got calf implants.

hollyberryness

60 points

4 days ago

I'm with you on that.... The simulation is revealing itself at a rapid pace since the pandemic.

I've watched every episode of Intervention - definitely remember this meth head's face, no wonder he raised a shitbag murderer - and I was born in Colorado Springs, probably lived there same time as this meth head homophobic psycho

Test19s

322 points

5 days ago

Test19s

322 points

5 days ago

This decade is a terribly written fanfiction, in my opinion.

trainercatlady

25 points

5 days ago

No kidding.

Santos_L_Halper_II

1.6k points

5 days ago

And yet this garbage was the sperm that became a person out of all of them.

rs07life

1k points

5 days ago

rs07life

1k points

5 days ago

Guy probably would have turned out fine if his parents werent pieces of shit

londoner4life

62 points

5 days ago

Tbh that’s most people. Aside from a few truly psychopathic people, a lot of history’s worst characters became that way because of bad parents.

[deleted]

490 points

5 days ago

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490 points

5 days ago

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flash-tractor

370 points

5 days ago

Piece of (shit)²

KillahHills10304

12 points

5 days ago

You can tell he was neglected as a baby because of the large, flat area on the back of his head. That's a dead on sign he was left on his back staring at the ceiling for hours and hours when he still had a squishy skull.

He might have a bit of a squishy skull right now too.

TheFizzardofWas

244 points

5 days ago

Say what?? You can’t just toss that out without some extra info

strangemedia6

556 points

5 days ago

It’s true. Someone interviewed the dad. His biggest concern was why his son was at a gay bar and is just relieved that he wasn’t actually gay. Real piece of shit.

hageshii_panda

227 points

5 days ago

He hasn't spoken to his son since 2011, it's been a decade since the kid popped into his consciousness and he was only concerned about his sexual orientation. Meth is a hell of a drug.

ferminriii

246 points

5 days ago

ferminriii

246 points

5 days ago

“They started telling me about the incident, a shooting involving multiple people,” Brink said Tuesday in an interview outside his San Diego home with CBS 8. “And then I go on to find out it’s a gay bar. I said, ‘God, is he gay?’ I got scared, ‘Shit, is he gay?’ And he’s not gay, so I said, ‘Phhhewww…’”

ionyx

330 points

5 days ago

ionyx

330 points

5 days ago

South Park should just pack up shop. You can't outwrite this

Prudent-Ad1002

9 points

5 days ago

I bet he never took his son to Casa Bonita.

wvtarheel

73 points

5 days ago

wvtarheel

73 points

5 days ago

South Park was made irrelevant by the real world about 5-7 years ago. You can't parody stupid if it just doubles down on you every year

maury587

25 points

5 days ago

maury587

25 points

5 days ago

Wait, this isn't a sketch?

themightypirate_

319 points

5 days ago*

The dad says later on in the very same interview he has permanent brain/nerve damage from being addicted to meth, at first he doesnt seem to understand what his son has done but when the interviewer repeats the crimes he does express regret and says he feels ashamed of his son.

EDIT some interesting takeaways from the interview outside of the well known atleast he isnt gay bit:

-Shooter changed his name because he was emberrassed about his fathers past as porn star and appearance on the T.V show "Intervention"

-Father was addicted to meth in 2008 which has left him with permanent nerve damage and slurred speech

-Father was contacted by the sons lawyers about a "shooting involving multiple individuals" but it doesnt seem like he understands his son was the shooter at this point

-When informed that his son was infact the shooter and killed people father expresses shame and worries that him praising his son for violent behavior at an early age may have contributed to what happenend.

-Seems to be clean now and working as a mixed martial arts instructor.

-Father expresses the hope his son wont be executed but must face the consequences for what hes done.

-Father reiterates homophobic believes says hes a conservative and mormon but also says it doesnt make it right to shoot up a gay club.

-Father ends the interview by apologizing to the victims/families and saying hes let his son down and being gay is nothing to kill anyone over.

Not a great guy for sure but not as black and white as that single clip makes him out to be.

strangemedia6

73 points

5 days ago

I did not see that part… that makes a little more sense. So did he not really grasp the full story before the reporter talked him through it??

themightypirate_

52 points

5 days ago

Yeah basically, he goes on to say that while hes conservative/mormon he doesnt believe that being gay is something to kill someone over.

Still definitely not a great guy though.

bob1689321

159 points

5 days ago

bob1689321

159 points

5 days ago

The guy was literally on TV 10 years ago saying he did meth and jacked off all day

WillyJayHuddy

506 points

5 days ago

Ex-fucking-cuse me, what??

drivealone

561 points

5 days ago

drivealone

561 points

5 days ago

The dad was the subject of an episode of the television series called intervention for meth addiction he was a former pornstar as well.

writingthefuture

193 points

5 days ago

I'm sorry... What???

hammsbeer4life

138 points

5 days ago

He'd shoot meth and crank it for 12 hours.

MissingInBrain

63 points

5 days ago

Hold on, HUH?!

juan_el_wey

130 points

5 days ago

juan_el_wey

130 points

5 days ago

Methsurbation

SpaceSteak

21 points

5 days ago

Uhhh, is that like, a standard meth thing?

ashymatina

68 points

5 days ago

It actually is extremely common. As a heavy dopamine releaser, methamphetamine tends to make people seek out more dopamine stimulating activities while high like sex or smoking, because they become enhanced x100.

Add that to the fact that it’s one of the strongest stimulants you can ingest, which makes you hyper focus on whatever you’re doing, and you get multi day masturbation binges. It tends to push people towards some really deranged shit too.

[deleted]

32 points

5 days ago

[deleted]

32 points

5 days ago

Ahemmmm from an ex tweaker who use to have a steady supply as I was a plug in Southern California and central California, meth does some crazy stuff to your brain.

I quit 2003 and haven’t looked back since then without disgust for myself and others who use meth, blauhhhhhh disgusting.

ashymatina

26 points

4 days ago

I've only done it once (by accident, got sold it as something else) and it has to have been the worst comedown I've experienced in my life, and I've tried most drugs. The comedown depression/anxiety was insane, waaaay worse than molly or blow. The lack of sleep really fucks with you. Big congrats on getting clean, thats major!

spyson

32 points

5 days ago

spyson

32 points

5 days ago

When he found out about the shooting his first thought was he was relived his son wasn't gay.

MrVeazey

17 points

5 days ago

MrVeazey

17 points

5 days ago

I thought it was his grandfather who said that. Either way, this whole family belongs in some kind of home with therapists and counselors and some guards around the outside.

soobviouslyfake

102 points

5 days ago

I dunno man, maybe don't get him to say it again

Broncarpenter

72 points

5 days ago

Fuckin hwhat

BigY2

102 points

5 days ago

BigY2

102 points

5 days ago

Bro what?? That's quite the lineage lol

hahayeahimfinehaha

481 points

5 days ago

This makes me sad, tbh. I’m not excusing the shooter here, he’s a POS and deserves whatever he gets, but cases like this really show how generational fuckery passes down from parent to child. This piece of shit shooter was once born an innocent little child, and his dad was a meth addict on reality TV. I’m guessing he didn’t exactly have the best childhood, with stable parents to teach him right from wrong or take care of his mental health or anything like that.

This is the type of shit that makes me an antinatalist. It’s just suffering begetting suffering begetting suffering.

eeeedlef

374 points

5 days ago

eeeedlef

374 points

5 days ago

Or, more logically, it makes one realize the importance of strong social support programs in schools, in health care, and in the criminal justice system. Because we see the cost on the other end when children are abused, neglected, or given little to live for. So instead of saying let's stop having kids, maybe we should put some effort towards improving social services.

RedditForAReason

111 points

5 days ago

Programs can help, but there is no alternative for a good upbringing.

Being raised in a fucked up household, with fucked up surroundings fucks you up. People can grow beyound their circumstances, but it ain't easy, nor is it the norm.

Not to diminish your point of the value of social support, but the problem is pretty deeply rooted.

strykerdoc

75 points

5 days ago

It might take generations to fix, incrementally.

Anecdotally, I have without a doubt not raised my kids perfectly, but I have the firm conviction that I've raised them better than I was raised. I was beaten; food access was controlled, limited, and used punitively; I was locked in a windowless and lightless basement for three weeks because I managed to run away from the attic I was locked in. My kids have never been hit beyond a light swat on the butt, in the toddler era, because it made them pay attention. Perfect? No, but I have never hurt my kids. Meals are served at the expected time, there is always enough, there is always variety, there are always available and accessible snacks: pretzels, yogurt, string cheese, fruits. The only locking at my house is the exterior doors, and if they choose to lock the bathroom door. I don't know if they do, I've literally never needed to check. I knock on bathroom and bedroom doors, request permission to enter or say what I need and speak through the door.

I have also made it clear that I am imperfect, that I know it, and all I'm trying to do is be better. That it started as a desire to be better than my parents, but that wasn't difficult. That is transformed into a need to be better than myself. I apologize when I'm wrong, I try to ask questions instead of accuse, and they're allowed to call me out.

I have also made it clear that I expect them to do the same: be better than their parents. We couldn't keep all of the fighting out of their view; though we both tried hard, we weren't stronger than the emotions. We divorced, not an ideal environment for kids, though it was better than the alternative. Start with better than me, then work on being better than you, and finally teach your kids the same

eeeedlef

59 points

5 days ago

eeeedlef

59 points

5 days ago

There's no shortage of evidence for that, but we as outsiders really can't do much about the choices people make regarding upbringing, short of abuse or neglect. But! If we have strong public schools where kids learn more than what they are exposed to at home, where they feel safe, are well fed, not bullied, where teachers have the resources to be an advocate for their students and can make them feel cared about... all of the above is directly related to programs you and I directly pay for.

There's a strong vein running through this country that doesn't like any of the above and thinks these things should be removed from the public expense. They think it's too expensive and only the minimum necessary should be made available... especially to people who look and sound different from them.

1Sluggo

16.7k points

5 days ago

1Sluggo

16.7k points

5 days ago

Geez, he’s 22? Hate takes a toll.

Necoras

1.1k points

5 days ago

Necoras

1.1k points

5 days ago

His father was apparently quite physically abusive. He sued to get away at 16. Marinating in that kind of environment since childhood is going to do a number on anyone, both physically and mentally.

I'm not excusing the guy's actions. But understanding what causes people like this to crack is how we prevent it

[deleted]

733 points

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Rougey

195 points

4 days ago

Rougey

195 points

4 days ago

Kid never had a chance.

Doesn't excuse what he did, but nobody is born that way.

ShallowTal

11.5k points

5 days ago*

ShallowTal

11.5k points

5 days ago*

So do the marks from the high heel stomps that trans woman landed on his face.

Edit to add: Yes, trans woman.

“@UnluckyBanshee The one who saved my life and stomped the shooter’s face in was not a drag queen, she is a trans woman”

It’s how she identifies. Yes she’s a woman, but it’s important bc the only other time trans women are in the news are when they’re murdered. She’s a badass that deserves to be recognized.

https://www.out.com/news/2022/11/22/heres-what-we-know-about-heroes-who-stopped-gunman-club-q?amp

99BottlesOfBass

2.9k points

5 days ago

He's lucky he didn't lose an eye or two if he got stomped with heels

No_Whammy_Needles

1.5k points

5 days ago

too lucky

[deleted]

254 points

5 days ago

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254 points

5 days ago

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trainercatlady

149 points

5 days ago*

They should have to live with the looks of disgust they're gonna get for the rest of their life

DatGearScorTho

1k points

5 days ago

Did she stomp the back of his head flat too cause homie looks like a conehead from the profile🤣

ShallowTal

599 points

5 days ago

ShallowTal

599 points

5 days ago

Someone said it can form like that if they constantly lay on their back as an infant.

DatGearScorTho

712 points

5 days ago

Well shit.. infant neglect isn't nearly as funny to poke fun at.. thanks for letting me know before I made a further ass of myself

techauditor

414 points

5 days ago

techauditor

414 points

5 days ago

Not even neglect in some cases. My kids (baby not 22 lolol ) got a good bit of a flat head but we sit him up or in his rocker a lot and do a good bit of tummy time and playing here and there.

Can be bad luck and they were stuck to one side in utero. But usually if you just start doing stretches and more tummy time it gets better, or u have to get them a special helmet. I have physical therapy for the kid every week and extra stretches and tummy time for him as homework.

But have u seen this dude's dad? I'd bet money it was neglect. Dudes a methed out formet porn actor lol.

eeeezypeezy

365 points

5 days ago

eeeezypeezy

365 points

5 days ago

Yeah, the dad is trash too...in an interview today he said that when he heard the shooting was in a gay club he was just relieved his son wasn't there as a patron.

calguy1955

237 points

5 days ago

calguy1955

237 points

5 days ago

I saw,that interview. His dad is a real piece of trash too. Wait until he finds out his “they/son” is claiming to be non-binary as his defense against a federal hate crime charge and the death penalty.

azaghal1988

67 points

4 days ago*

in an interview today he said that when he heard the shooting was in a gay club he was just relieved his son wasn't there as a patron.

what a piece of wasted Oxygen...

GenoKeno

2.3k points

5 days ago

GenoKeno

2.3k points

5 days ago

Alex Jones is only 48… being a bigoted piece of shit adds a LOT of city miles.

Urocyon2012

522 points

5 days ago

Urocyon2012

522 points

5 days ago

yeah. All that hate burns you up. By comparison, Wil Wheaton is 50. I guess the secret to not aging into a bloviating troll is to be a decent person.

SirPiffingsthwaite

828 points

5 days ago

For a good comparison, Keanu Reeves turned 104 in September.

h3lblad3

279 points

5 days ago

h3lblad3

279 points

5 days ago

You wrote that backward. He turned 401 in September.

Toby_O_Notoby

73 points

5 days ago

Fun fact: Wil Wheaton is older now than Patrick Stewart was at the beginning of TNG.

notamentalpatient

22 points

4 days ago

I don't find that fun at all

darkhorsehance

93 points

5 days ago

Less-Mail4256

48 points

4 days ago

Decades of meth use have that effect. He’s high as fuck in the interview.

NickSalvo

8.7k points

5 days ago

NickSalvo

8.7k points

5 days ago

Looks better than he deserves.

PlusUltraK

1.2k points

5 days ago

PlusUltraK

1.2k points

5 days ago

Yeah, crazy the beatings people will give you when you were actively trying to shoot them moments before

rastika

569 points

5 days ago

rastika

569 points

5 days ago

There is a layer of truth to this I have never seen in North America. The first man I saw beat to death at maybe 8 or 9 years old pulled a gun at the shabeen in my neighborhood in South Africa. They chased him all the way home, he shot into the crowd, went inside, shot himself in the leg and called the cops. Over 30 people beat him to death and dragged his body into the street before the police got there. He was a cops brother and was known for flexing and having a gun on him. The day he decided to pull it, he should have used it.

Delta8hate

96 points

5 days ago

… who was the second guy you saw beat to death?

valuehorse

17 points

5 days ago

"we want more"

Groovatronic

168 points

5 days ago

You’re gonna want to knock that piece of shit out or at least make him dizzy enough to stop fighting or reaching for a weapon

DiabloPixel

48 points

5 days ago

Neutralise that motherfucker.

Detritus_AMCW

2.4k points

5 days ago

There was also a woman stomping on his face with heels on.

shitpplsay

748 points

5 days ago

shitpplsay

748 points

5 days ago

Was hoping he'd be missing some teeth too from a good ol' curb stomp.

EstroJen

204 points

5 days ago

EstroJen

204 points

5 days ago

He's lucky she didn't take an eyeball out.

irishemperor

114 points

5 days ago

I thought I read from the guy who tackled him, that the woman hit him in the eye with a stilletto

TootsNYC

56 points

5 days ago

TootsNYC

56 points

5 days ago

There’s a corresponding bruise.

pomonamike

1.7k points

5 days ago*

pomonamike

1.7k points

5 days ago*

Yes, a woman in heels. There was some confusion about that early on but glad the record has been set straight.

EDIT: yes, I am referring to the fact that the woman is transgender but was originally misidentified/misgendered as a drag queen. And it took less than 45 minutes for some chud to report me for “self-harm” for the comment. Funny that any time I make a comment supporting the trans community, I get “Reddit Cares.” You people need to get a grip. I wish you had the guts to just be direct.

FlakeReality

353 points

5 days ago

Make sure to report that reddit cares message, it gets the sender of it banned.

pomonamike

235 points

5 days ago

pomonamike

235 points

5 days ago

Didn’t even notice you could report that. Done and done! Thanks

thejawa

80 points

5 days ago

thejawa

80 points

5 days ago

Yup always do it. From the official app you can get a permalink to the Reddit Cares report, just paste it in and say it's abuse of the tool, and usually 24-48 hours later you'll get a message from Reddit stating if it was deemed harassment.

okieman73

18 points

5 days ago

okieman73

18 points

5 days ago

I get those on occasion. The first one confused the hell out of me. I didn't realize people just did that because of a disagreement. Smdh.

pomonamike

29 points

5 days ago

Well, normal people don’t do it for a disagreement

[deleted]

281 points

5 days ago

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281 points

5 days ago

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L-J-

158 points

5 days ago

L-J-

158 points

5 days ago

Dude had a lot of padding.. like.. everywhere. Fierro is a big dude and had to repeatedly pistol whip him into unconsciousness.

Hornswallower

34 points

5 days ago

That's just because of the cone shape of this mouth breather's head.

Any hit would've been naturally deflected upwards.

marky30

1.5k points

5 days ago

marky30

1.5k points

5 days ago

Fierro is a badass. His interview, though is heartbreaking. Him and a couple others beat him up, and were able to take his AR, and a handgun. Heroes. This could've been even worse.

bearatrooper

458 points

5 days ago

Richard Fierro, the hero. AKA, Dick Iron, beater of terrorists.

JonBoyWhite

86 points

5 days ago

Unlike Dick Delaware, father of shit stain shooter.

ninetymph

20 points

5 days ago

ninetymph

20 points

5 days ago

He's been forged, and the iron has changed.

It's now Dick Steel.

dotpan

86 points

5 days ago

dotpan

86 points

5 days ago

The part about it being harder because you don't get to come home, you're already there, where the pain happened. That shit shook me.

heybrother11

74 points

5 days ago

Mr. Fierro and family own Atrevida Beer Co.. They’ve got some great merch. I bought a shirt yesterday.

Nintura

3.2k points

5 days ago

Nintura

3.2k points

5 days ago

didnt you hear though? His father is happy that at least his son isn't gay

pewterpetunia

781 points

5 days ago

I missed this. His dad really said that? Ughhhh

lilbigd1ck

905 points

5 days ago

lilbigd1ck

905 points

5 days ago

There's something really off about that guy. He's off his head i guess. He actually thought his son has committed suicide in 2016. Here's the interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0f6TXdNXcWk can hardly understand what he's saying through most of it.

Mymarathon

540 points

5 days ago

Mymarathon

540 points

5 days ago

He looks like a meth head. Apparently when he was a porn actor he was big into crystal meth. I think he might be a back on it a little.

Nikoli_jhonson

190 points

5 days ago

I've been around lots of meth heads in the sober community. This guy 100% smokes meth

ScienceNeverLies

112 points

5 days ago

The mumbling, stuttering, swaying back and forth. His skin. The way his mouth and lips look. He looks like he’s high in the video. Probably been up for days.

Schindlerz-Fist

102 points

5 days ago

Someone else linked to a video from an intervention TV show, and apparently he would do crystal meth and jerk off for 10-12 hours a day

1202_ProgramAlarm

50 points

5 days ago

What's with all the people bashing my Thanksgiving plans? 😤

eat_with_your_fist

152 points

5 days ago

He IS a meth head. His dad was the guy in that intervention show who would get high on meth and masturbate for 10-12 hours. No joke.

damontoo

214 points

5 days ago

damontoo

214 points

5 days ago

"Something really off"? He's tweaking balls. Probably thanks to reporters paying him for details about their family. Former porn star, fighter, meth addict, hates gay people? Zero percent chance this dude wasn't molested as a kid. We need to stop these shooters but we also need better intervention when they're kids so they aren't abused and raised as violent bigots.

ADarwinAward

62 points

5 days ago

Apparently dad wasn’t really involved at all in the kids life, per the court documents about his legal name change.

The mom also has a criminal record though.

WhyamImetoday

16 points

5 days ago

The grandfather has left us with quite the Legacy.

gravitas-deficiency

68 points

5 days ago

His dad is a meth head. That’s not hyperbole - he literally is.

Isaac331

45 points

5 days ago

Isaac331

45 points

5 days ago

I don't know if you already seen it because it's on the frontpage, but yes:

https://127.0.0.1/r/facepalm/comments/z30vh5/colorado_springs_shooting_suspects_father_is_very/

killing-moon

16 points

5 days ago

He looks like meth head Josh Brolin.

deliciousmonster

53 points

5 days ago

The father is clearly on meth. Or crack. Or methcrack.

bootstrapping_lad

38 points

5 days ago

Methamcrackamine

NearPeerAdversary

2.1k points

5 days ago

That head shape...as a baby was he just left in the crib all the time?

OceanDevotion

1k points

5 days ago

That’s what I thought, and then knowing what I read in the NYT article, I wouldn’t be surprised. His parents were addicts, in and out of jail, I guess his dad used to do pornography, and basically, they were shithole parents. My first thought about the head was due to neglect as a child, but then I saw comments about swelling and idk.

Also I want to be clear that I am not sympathetic to the shooter because he had bad parents and a shit life. That’s not an excuse to kill people or cause any harm to others.

Polymath123

78 points

5 days ago

Take a look at the Oxford High School shooter’s parents who are currently on trial here in Michigan.

bramtyr

235 points

5 days ago

bramtyr

235 points

5 days ago

It is pretty weirdly conical. Curiously enough Roger Stone has the same thing. Its kinda freaky to see him in profile.

jumperalex

88 points

5 days ago

you're right about stone, but it's made even worse by Stones hair. Looks like a friggin cone head mated with Beetlejuice shrunken head at the end of the movie! hahah

DiabloPixel

14 points

5 days ago

Woah! You’re right and I never knew that Roger Stone lost the back of his head. It’s freaky and little wonder why Rog likes facing the camera. But then you wind up with a lot of pictures of his face, which is just as freaky.

autoHQ

68 points

5 days ago*

autoHQ

68 points

5 days ago*

You ever think, damn, could that guy have been set on his path in life through the upbringing he had? The upbringing he had no say in? Your formative childhood years are very very important to who you turn out to be, and it's all just a roll of the dice as to what parents we end up born to.

Makes me wonder a lot about free will and if we're truly in control or if we're just the product of our situations.

Cenodoxus

51 points

5 days ago

Cenodoxus

51 points

5 days ago

This is the rationale behind causal determinism. It’s the idea that, while predestination doesn’t actually exist, the future has already more or less assumed the shape it’s going to take. Why? Because it’s being determined by the events and conditions happening right now. In other words, B will exist in the future because its precursor A is already here in the present.

Shrunk to the individual level, it’s this: We make most of our decisions on the basis of things that have happened to us in the past, but the most formative stuff in our lives — our families, our socioeconomic backgrounds, the communities in which we live as children, our schools, our teachers, the circle of people who constitute our friends and extended family — are largely outside our control.

If you read this and think, “That kind of sounds like a problem for the whole concept of free will,” you’re right.

autoHQ

13 points

5 days ago*

autoHQ

13 points

5 days ago*

Yup, that's pretty much exactly it. Your life experiences both good and bad, your health, your upbringing, your personality, aversion or appetite for risk, your levels of empathy, your chemical imbalances in your brain, etc, all influence how you'll react to events in the future. To a predictable level almost.

NoMooseSoup4You

95 points

5 days ago

You can feel sympathy towards the shooter without condoning every bad thing he’s done.

acatnamedmeow

113 points

5 days ago

This is the only sane answer here. You can feel sorry for him, what he went through in his life, and the hand he was dealt, without condoning what he did. You can actually be furious at what he did and think he’s a piece of shit, and STILL have sympathy for him. These things are not mutually exclusive, nor should they be. Understanding the factors that lead someone to commit acts like this is the only way we’ll ever be able to stop them.

RaqMountainMama

21 points

4 days ago

I'm from the Springs, been to Club Q, I have family that live less than 10 min away. The "why" has been so heavy on my heart. It actually makes it seem slightly easier to deal with knowing he was probably criminally neglected as a baby/child. Not excusable... But not such a mystery of where did the hate come from...

dongasaurus

70 points

5 days ago

Swelling doesn’t normally make your head flat

ConfessionBeer8888

103 points

5 days ago

It’s called Brachycephaly and yes it’s from being just left I a crib on your back for a long time. Plagiocephaly is more common and is just kinda a misshaped head for babies. It can naturally fix itself, when you see a babies in helmet it’s most likely correcting this. My first thought seeing these pics was he was just left in a crib or laying on his back a lot as a baby.

I use to make baby helmets for this stuff.

nom_of_your_business

99 points

5 days ago

His dad is a real piece of work.

jasonskjonsby

181 points

5 days ago

His Grandfather is a MAGA Election denier. The whole family tree is rotten to its core.

CrazyIslander

327 points

5 days ago

I’m guessing there’s a fair amount of swelling going on seeing as he was pistol whipped - solidly - by his own handgun.

nojelloforme

28 points

5 days ago

That head shape...as a baby was he just left in the crib all the time?

I thought the same thing.

Zanchbot

154 points

5 days ago

Zanchbot

154 points

5 days ago

This guy is even more pathetic looking than I had imagined.

w00000rd

848 points

5 days ago

w00000rd

848 points

5 days ago

I thought this guy died from a self inflicted wound, then I realized that was the other mass shooting over in Virginia. Just another day

loyalbeagle

369 points

5 days ago

loyalbeagle

369 points

5 days ago

Just asked my husband if he wanted to "see the asskicking the shooter got" and he said "I thought he was dead...?" Not today's mass shooting, hon, the last one.

AuroraItsNotTheTime

47 points

5 days ago

It gets confusing every year during double shooting week

Esc_ape_artist

226 points

5 days ago

‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens.

OIcyBulletO

845 points

5 days ago

OIcyBulletO

845 points

5 days ago

Dude looks like the product of 4 generations of incest

Myu_The_Weirdo

195 points

5 days ago

Considering his dad is appearently a meth head, he probably is

PeaceLoveDyeStuff

614 points

5 days ago

"At least he isn't gay"

deadheadramblinrose

393 points

5 days ago

His dad scares me. That man is clearly mentally unstable and he probably owns tons of guns. Jesus Christ.

PeaceLoveDyeStuff

63 points

5 days ago

Big time

hammsbeer4life

16 points

5 days ago

His dad shot up meth and regularly masturbated for 12 hours at a crack. No joke was on that show intervention for it.

This family legacy is just absolutely bizarre

swim-bike-run

277 points

5 days ago

He looks like Bart Harley Jarvis. Completely flat back of the head

littleoctagon

211 points

5 days ago

I used to work with at-risk teens and had the flat back of the head pointed out to me by a co-worker: it's usually a sign the person spent too much time on their backs as infants (i.e., didn't get adequate attention).

FlyOnTheWall221

82 points

5 days ago

Yes and that should have been caught and corrected by the child’s pediatrician… if they actually took them for their physicals

sucuIantj

36 points

5 days ago

sucuIantj

36 points

5 days ago

And a massive over bite

zeno0771

582 points

5 days ago

zeno0771

582 points

5 days ago

Taking this opportunity to point out that Richard Fierro and his wife own a brewery in CO Springs called Atrevida Beer Company. They sell swag (T-shirts, hoodies etc) for decent prices and they ship, so that would be a good way to show your support even if you're not in the area.

smell_of_facepalm

63 points

5 days ago

Check out this shirt in particular

Make sure to look at front & back.

NotKittensItsChicken

12 points

5 days ago

Just ordered my leggings. I don't even care if they fit. It's an opportunity to say thank you and support my new hero.

Statick160

4.9k points

5 days ago

Statick160

4.9k points

5 days ago

Honestly, i would've preferred to see a picture of Mr Fierro here. No need to give this scumbag more attention than he deserves, the sooner his name and legacy are forgotten the better.

ParkingLotLizard[S]

2.5k points

5 days ago

I generally do agree with you, I just posted this because I wanted everyone to see:

A) the face of a coward.

B) the good beat down he got

rivahhj

533 points

5 days ago*

rivahhj

533 points

5 days ago*

shooters kill dozens of people and get taken into custody relatively unharmed. maybe giving them that look for the mug shot would discourage people from following suit.

not that I normally endorse violence but if you kill people blindly... i can turn my head when the cops are doing it

edit: i honestly agree with all of you that vigilante justice is wrong. I just hate the parading of the mugshot (with their name of course) because it feels like they're getting exactly what they wanted: attention. in sentiment, i just think that embarrassment would be a powerful tool for discouragement. that way the next shooter is less likely to be inspired. but i absolutely do agree that cops should in no way actually harm people unless imminent danger is present.

forgottenmyth

138 points

5 days ago

I doubt the people that are willing to do these things care if they even make it out alive.

minitrr

395 points

5 days ago*

minitrr

395 points

5 days ago*

I’m okay with this one. I hated when the media would basically make these asswipes look like folk heroes. But I’m fine with these pics spreading that make their entire legacy that of a little bitch. This and the doofus that didn’t even get a round off in Dallas before he was shot dead.

Let it be known we’ll kick your fucking face in if you bring your MAGA ass to kill people in our communities.

Lunchcube1

21 points

5 days ago

Why does his head look like the flounder's from spongebob

KulaanDoDinok

282 points

5 days ago

Wow, an actual neckbeard. What a loser.

Obamas_Tie

85 points

5 days ago

Ironic, with a can of Gillette, maybe drink some more water instead of beer and Mountain Dew, get a job and maybe join a volunteer group or something, five people would still be alive. What a goddamn waste all around.

annewilco

218 points

5 days ago

annewilco

218 points

5 days ago

That high heel imprint 👠

SomebodysAtTheDoor

47 points

5 days ago

Hope it's permanent.

ParkingLotLizard[S]

55 points

5 days ago

Love to see it

Vanson1200r

145 points

5 days ago

Vanson1200r

145 points

5 days ago

See the interview with "his" dad?

jerichowiz

108 points

5 days ago

jerichowiz

108 points

5 days ago

That piece of shit was more concerned that his son was not gay than the shooting.

kezow

47 points

5 days ago

kezow

47 points

5 days ago

Hatred is bred, not born.

polychlorinatedbi

14 points

5 days ago

Jeez, it's exactly what I'd think a 4chan neckbeard would look like.

joen00b

706 points

5 days ago

joen00b

706 points

5 days ago

Incel piece of shit.

elvovirto

81 points

5 days ago

elvovirto

81 points

5 days ago

Why do these schlubs always look exactly like you would expect them to?

Beestorm

186 points

5 days ago

Beestorm

186 points

5 days ago

He was a member of a church where the pastor talks about using muskets on lgbtq people. This rhetoric has real world consequences, and we are seeing them.

bj2001holt

67 points

5 days ago

Surely there has to be some responsibility for this that falls on the pastor? Public speech that insites violence or panic is against the law in most countries.

oliveoilcrisis

66 points

5 days ago

Here is the speech

Geoffrey Holland is an “apostle” in the LDS church. He is a senior leader. He is saying exactly who the church is.

IceNein

33 points

5 days ago

IceNein

33 points

5 days ago

I am glad that they got him alive. Hopefully he can spend the next 80 years healthy and of sound mind imprisoned, knowing that he will never have another day of freedom in his life.

Ok-Thing-2222

142 points

5 days ago

This was a baby that was hardly ever picked up. You can tell by the flatness of the back of his head. Probably stuck in a carrier for hours on end and fed that way too. (I've seen parents pick up a kid in a carrier, click it into a vehicle, then a stroller, then back in the house and the infant never gets a break, nor tummy time to strengthen its neck.) What a hell of a way to start off life...So much inattention or neglect that your head doesn't have the opportunity to form in a normal manner. But with the dad he had.....meth more important than child?

argv_minus_one

46 points

5 days ago*

Another reason why abortion bans are a horrible idea. They're intended to punish the parents, but nobody thinks too hard about what happens to the children…

A40

75 points

5 days ago

A40

75 points

5 days ago

Heel stomping. He should be glad it wasn't stilettos...

-Great-Scott-

189 points

5 days ago

Correction needed: National Hero

zombie_lawyer

239 points

5 days ago

And addendum: TWO national heroes! A trans woman also stomped on him with her boots, which explains some of those gnarly bruises. Fuck this guy!

slammer592

119 points

5 days ago

slammer592

119 points

5 days ago

And yet, a team of fully armed cops who recently did an active shooter drill stood around and did nothing while 19 children got murdered.

oh-hidanny

22 points

5 days ago

Because trans women are tougher than most cops. The shit that they have had to endure would break most cops.

I’m not surprised whenever marginalized groups step up, after all, they have to each and every day to survive in a bigoted world.

Freddies_Mercury

16 points

5 days ago

And transwomen are cried out as all that is wrong in the western world.

She actively saved many lives. The cops stood around grooming the parents into doing nothing about their kids being slaughtered.

invertedcottonwoodut

54 points

5 days ago

The shooter is a Mormon. Their senior leadership called for “musket fire” against the gays last year.

The Mormons are behind a lot of anti-gay bullshit and rhetoric. They have conferences every six months, and they pound the bully pulpit at each conference with anti-gay rhetoric. Either the gays are the root of all evil, shouldn’t have civil rights, should be shot, or are the reason the world is in decline (no lie, that’s what the Mormons say every six months in worldwide conferences).

Their leaders are judges, wealthy businessmen, and politicians (e.g., Mitt Romney and Mike Lee). These guys have money and power.

And they spend their social capital every six months harping on the evils of the gays. Prop 8 in California? The Mormons. “Shoot the gays!” Again, the Mormons.

Looks like “shoot the gays in the name of Christ” is now a successful branding call for the Mormons.

Mormons suck.

soothsayer011

116 points

5 days ago

4chan in corporeal form

Obamas_Tie

21 points

5 days ago

And corpulent form as well.